I’ve been waiting a long time to say this….Check your privilege,feminists!
As a response to the feminist “Male Privilege Checklist” I’m going to codify the privileges that most if not all females enjoy.
1. From an early age the opposite sex will be instructed never to hit me but I may not be given the same instructions. However, should I strike males I can expect not to be hit back and any social penalties that occur from my actions will actually fall on the male.
2. If I’m not smart, but pretty, I can marry and achieve the social and financial level of my husband without ever working.
3. I can produce offspring. A status which grants me an “essential” status in our species that men can never have and which can never be taken away from me even in old age.
4. Regardless of my mate value society has organized fertility clinics and social welfare programs that will allow me to have children and provide for them should I choose to reproduce without a mate or marriage.
5. I not only have the more valuable and sought after sexual identity, but I also have complete control over my reproductive choice and in many ways over the reproductive choice of the opposite sex.
6. At any time I can abandon my parental responsibilities with little or no social stigma and hand the child over to the state or abort the pregnancy. A male could never relieve himself of this burden unless I allow him to.
7. I am granted all the rights of a democracy without any of the burdens of military service.
8. At age 18 I lose the protective status of the child but retain the protective status of the female. Boys at age 18 lose the protected status of the child and become targets if they fail to gain status after that point.
9. When I marry a man with status I can take his name and become whoever he has spent years becoming. I need not do anything special to be worthy of receiving the reputation he has built. However, if I wish to keep my own name I can do so. Should my husband feel the sting of this insult I can simply call him a sexist for it.
10. People will help me more when I’m in need and I will receive no social penalty or stigma for it.
11. When I’m on a date things will be paid for me.
12. When I search for employment I can choose jobs which I think are fulfilling without concern of whether they provide a “family” wage.
13. I can discriminate against the opposite sex ruthlessly without social penalty.
14. If I marry and quit my job and enjoy a leisurely life with light housework and then later divorce I will be given half of the marital assets.
15. If I commit a crime and am convicted I will get a sentencing “discount” because of my gender. If I am very pretty it will increase my discount.
16. If I am a partner in crime with a man I will likely be charged with lesser crimes even though I committed the same crimes even if I was the ringleader.
17. I have the option to be outraged if my husband asks me if my behavior is due to PMS and later on use PMS as a successful legal defense for murdering that same husband.
18. At age 18 I will not be forced to register for Selective Service and will not be penalized for failing to do so.
19. At a time of war I will never be drafted and ripped from my employment, home, and family and forced to become a military slave.
20. My feelings are more important than men’s lives. Every precaution will be made to protect me from harassment at work. However, males will make up nearly %100 of workplace fatalities.
21. My gender controls 80% of domestic spending. We get to spend our money if we have any and we get to spend men’s money.
22. The majority of luxury apparel is designed, marketed to, and consumed by women.
23. Seven times as much jewelry will be purchased by or for me than by or for men.
24. I have a department of women’s health whereas men have no such department.
25. My gender enjoys more government spending on health than males do.
26. My gender consumes the lioness’ share of entitlement programs while men contribute the lion’s share of taxes.
27. If I rape or molest a child I can expect lighter treatment in court and afterwards receive less social stigma. What’s more, should I become pregnant, I can sue my victim for child support when he finally turns 18.
28. When I divorce my husband I will be guaranteed custody of my children unless I am deemed to be unfit. Even if my husband is “Parent of the Year” 10 years running it is unlikely he will get custody over me even if I am a mediocre parent.
29. When I divorce I can use false accusations of domestic violence, sexual molestation of the children or abuse of the children to gain advantage during court proceedings. If I am found out to be a liar I can expect to get away with it.
30. If a man calls me a slut it will probably hurt his reputation more than it hurts mine, but at any rate the damage will be small and localized. However, if I call him a child molester or claim that he raped me I can destroy him completely and the damage may be nationwide.
31. If I fail at my career I can blame the male dominated society.
32. I may have the luxury of staying home and being a housewife but if my sister’s husband does the same thing I’m likely to call him a deadbeat loser and tell her to leave him.
33. If I “choose” to join the military; the best military occupations providing the most lucrative civilian training will be reserved for me. I will be kept away from the fighting as much as possible to the point that I will be thirty times less likely to be killed in a war zone than my male counterparts. I will be given equal pay for less risk. I will never have to consider the fact that by joining the military and getting a plumb assignment I automatically forced a male out of that position and into a combat role that may cost him his life.
34. If a male soldier injures himself before a deployment he can be arrested and court marshaled for it. If I deliberately get pregnant before a deployment or even during a deployment I will be reassigned and or taken out of a war zone and I will receive no penalty for it.
35. My gender watches more television in every hour of every day than any other group. This along with the fact that women control %80 of domestic spending means that most television shows and advertisement are designed to appeal to me.
36. I can wear masculine clothing if it pleases me however men cannot wear feminine clothing without social penalty.
37. Not only is there a wealth of clothing choices designed for me but it is likely that I will be able to afford or have them provided for me.
38. I can claim that a wage gap exists and that it is the fault of sexism while simultaneously seeking employment without considering income as a priority. I will probably choose my job based on satisfaction, flexibility of hours, and working conditions and then expect to make as much as the males working nights, out in the rain and cold or working overtime.
39. I can be bigoted or sexist against males without social penalty.
40. If I make a false claim of rape against a male in an act of revenge or in order to cover up my own scandalous behavior I may well succeed at both and he may spend years in prison. If I am found out it is unlikely I will be charged, convicted, or serve any time at all.
41. If I abuse my husband and physically assault him and the police arrive it is almost guaranteed he will go to jail.
42. If I am in an abusive relationship there are a multitude of social organizations to help me get away from him. There are few for men in the same position even though women initiate the majority of DV and even though men are hospitalized %30 of the time.
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43. In the event of a natural disaster or other emergency that requires evacuation I can expect to be evacuated before males. This includes male doctors, humanitarians, politicians, captains of industry, billionaires, and religious leaders. I will receive no social penalty if all of those people died because I was evacuated first. However, should they manage to get evacuated before women and those women died they will all suffer a social penalty.
44. If someone is attacking a person on the street I have no obligation to assist them and I will receive no social penalty if I do nothing.
45. If someone is harming my children and I run away and ask someone else to help I will receive no social penalty for my cowardice.
46. I’m immune to cognitive dissonance.
47. I may denounce the concept of a dowry, however, I still expect a man to give me an engagement ring when he asks me to marry him.
48. I expect a man to ask me to marry me and suffer the potential risk of rejection.
49. If I lie it’s because I’m a victim of a male dominated society forced into difficult circumstances and not because I’m a bad person.
50. If my boyfriend sabotages a condom he can pay me child support for the next 20 years. If I secretly don’t take my birth control my boyfriend can pay me child support for the next 20 years.
51. If I’m uncomfortable exercising around men I can demand a female only gym be made for women. If any male only gyms exist I can demand membership under threat of lawsuit.
52. If my female only gym at the university decides to close early for safety reasons I can scream sexism and force them to keep it open as long as the main gym.
53. If I succeed at keeping the female gym open and I leave late at night and I don’t feel safe I can demand that the university spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for more lighting and police presence.
54. If after getting new lighting and police protection I decide I don’t want to go to the gym anymore well that’s just my prerogative.
55. I’m likely to believe that if a woman is intoxicated she is not capable of giving consent and if sex occurs it is rape. However, if her male partner is also intoxicated he is capable of consenting.
56. If a man is promoted over me at work I have a right to suspect sexism even though I also believe that under adverse circumstances men are more capable than women of making good decisions. (see #55)
57. I can cry and get my husband to do something for me that he might not have done otherwise.
58. I expect people (especially men) to be sensitive to my feelings.
59. I can deny a man’s feelings or disregard them or ridicule him for having them without social penalty.
60. If I lose my job it’s because of sexism or the economy. If a man loses his job it’s because he’s a loser.
61. If I go to a club or bar with my girlfriends and I look my sexy best I have a right to be perturbed when men approach me and hit on me in this public place.
62. Even though men die more from prostate cancer than women die from breast cancer I can expect that twice as much funding is given for breast cancer. The same will apply to any female specific disease or malady.
63. If for some reason I do not get custody of my children I will be expected to pay less child support than another man in my exact same position.
64. If I kidnap my children and I am eventually caught I can successfully defend myself by claiming I was protecting them from my husband–even if my children were given to him to protect them from me.
65. My gender makes up %53 of the voting population yet when I see more men in political office I will call that sexism.
66. If I am married with children and I want to stay home with the kids I’m likely to blame my husband for not making enough to allow me to do that.
67. I think it is my right to work and I am unconcerned if the influx of women into the workforce has reduced overall wages to the point that it’s hard to support a family on just one income, or affirmative action has kept men from being promoted even though they deserved it.
68. I can get student financial aid without signing up for Selective Service (the Draft).
69. I can get employment with a federal agency without signing up for Selective Service.
70. Restrooms for my gender will be cleaner and are more likely to have flowers or other decorations.
71. If I’m caring for a child restrooms for my gender will more likely have a changing table for my convenience.
72. People I’ve never met before are more likely to open doors for me.
73. People I’ve never met before are more likely to talk to me in public.
74. If I go to a bar I can expect that members of the opposite sex will purchase drinks for me.
75. Anytime I find an organization just for men I can denounce it as sexism.
76. I believe that women should have organizations just for women.
77. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he doesn’t call I have a right to think of him as an asshole.
78. If I meet a man that I like and I give him my phone number and he calls me I have a right to blow him off or act like I don’t know him.
79. I believe I have a right to live in an orderly and safe society but I feel no obligation to risk my safety to secure or maintain that society.
80. I like it when bars and clubs have drinks specials just for women.
81. I think that organizations that offer any discounts or privileges just for men is a clear sign of sexism.
82. If I’m white I will live 6 years longer than white males and 14 years longer than black males.
83. If I’m encouraged to get medical care it’s because I owe it to myself.
84. When my husband is encouraged to get medical help it’s because he owes to to me and the kids.
85. If something bad happens to me or just one woman I believe it is an offense against all women.
86. I believe that if something bad happens to a man it’s because he’s a loser.
87. I think that alimony is fair when paid to a woman but not fair when paid by a woman.
88. I’m more likely to believe that women who commit crimes are sick and need treatment or understanding whereas men who commit crimes are evil and should be locked up forever.
89. I can criticize the opposite sex without social penalty, but woe be to the man who attempts to criticize me or other women.
90. I can throw a fit and act like a two year old to get what I want without damaging my mate value.
91. I have the luxury of not being the filter for natural selection.
92. I can sleep with my boss if I want and afterwards I can sue him for sexual harassment.
93. I can wear seductive clothing and perfume to attract a man at work but no one will accuse me of sexual harassment.
94. If I hear a story about Darfur and how men who leave the refugee camps to gather wood are hacked to death to prevent their wives from being raped I am likely to think that is proper but not likely to send money.
95. If I hear a story about Darfur and how women are leaving the refugee camps to gather wood are being raped I’m likely to be outraged. I’m also likely to wonder why these women’s husbands aren’t protecting them.
96. If I ever heard these stories about Darfur it is my privilege not to care or even consider that the reason the second story exists is because all the men in the first have already been killed.
97. It is my right to maintain the belief that men oppress women despite all of the evidence to the contrary.
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Much as I’d like to claim credit, this is not my work. All credit for this phenomenal list goes to the author or authors.
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I recently found your site by following a link from the Counter Feminist. I like what I see so far. Your Female Privilege Checklist is quite interesting. I have linked to it at my site in an article that will be published tomorrow in which I respond to the Male Privilege Checklist. Keep up the good work.
TDOM
GREAT LIST MY FRIEND.
There are so many more.
How about male liabilities and obligations to support women while dating, in marriage to support her choices, and should she decide to leave, take his children away from him and guess what……force him by law to support her matriarchal family.
The day women are independent is the day men become independent from female dependency. In all reality nothing has changed for men since feminism began. What happened was that women gave themselves choices, rights and privileges without having any reciprocal obligations or liabilities toward and for men nor society.
Thank you so much for starting this blog. The movement is actually growing and we are seeking to create a new academic discipline called Male Studies. Look it up, support it and spread the word. Intellectually Male Studies will provide a think tank and a place for the ideas of the movement to coalesce and become diseminated and expressed.
rebukingfeminism.blogspot.com
Thank you. I wish I could do more. I wish I could nail a comprehensive list of the MRM’s grievances to the door of the White House,or NOW’s headquarters, or anyplace that man-hating shrews gather,really. But until we can sort our demands out, I will lend my voice and my strategies to any man or group of men capable of making use of them. I feel honored to be able to do so.
Yes, we are indeed growing,faster than could have ever been expected. Even those who are unfamiliar with Men’s Rights have regardless heard our message,and I predict that soon our message will dominate discourse on gender issues completely. We will win this “battle of the sexes”,as long as we keep up the resistance.
Though I have not written a post on it yet, I am familiar with Male Studies,and support the effort whole-heartedly.I favor a multi-pronged approach to defeating feminism, using the strategies of modern warfare, and certainly,establishing a mainstream center to disseminate information favorable to our cause figures highly in such an approach.
I will try to do a post about Male Studies in the next couple of days,if my schedule allows.
don’t let the morons get to you, the more we fight their misandry the more they will resort to Ad hominem
Here’s my view on the whole nightmare that is privilege checklists:
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Haven’t women for centuries seen male priviledge as female dispriviledge? YES!! the only answer is to finish the feminist movement by embracing a humanist movement…equal opportunity, responsibility and expectations of checking sexism for BOTH GENDERS. This is a woman stating this, BTW.
I think that this doesn’t really help the feminist movement as feminism is all about being as self sufficient as men. Most of these point are about the rewards you can gain off a male such as gaining his social status after marriage and getting him to pay for everything for you.
It doesn’t help the feminist movement because it’s a backlash, and therefore will be viewed as hateful tit for tatting by angry men. It will be ignored and played down. Only when the genders can honestly see each others faults in how they behave and affect each other can humans move onto the next level.
“I think that this doesn’t really help the feminist movement as feminism is all about being as self sufficient as men. Most of these point are about the rewards you can gain off a male such as gaining his social status after marriage and getting him to pay for everything for you.”
And you don’t think individual women benefit from that at all?
Also, feminism is more about taking what men have worked for away and giving it to women because they have vaginas.
There are two groups of men who are affected by this situation. The first group consists of men who are married and/or cohabitating with a woman; the second is the group of single men who don’t live with a woman. The first group is more heavily (and negatively) affected than the second group.
Clearly, legislative reform can help rectify theses inequities. In the interim, a rational strategy for coping with this would include remaining single and living alone. Guys – especially when your female significant other begins acting nasty, it’s time to get up and get your ass out the door before you get assaulted and locked up for defending yourself. You can’t do that if you live with her.
#98: I can kill my husband with a shotgun blast to the back of the head as he sleeps and then say “well…he abused me by making me…” and get off scot free.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. Feminism is about equality. We recognize that being sexist is oppressive to women AND men. At least half of your points are unwarranted assumptions about how women think. And the other half, although you have skewed them, are things that feminists are trying to remedy! And seriously did you look at any FACTS when you wrote this. Or did you just base it on your assumptions about what women want in their life.
“We will win this “battle of the sexes”,as long as we keep up the resistance.” It’s not a fucking battle, we should all be going after the goal of a better society. Together. The idea of Men vs Women shouldn’t exist. This is an idiotically sexist site. I can’t believe I am even taking the time to write this. You aren’t going to listen and that is deeply saddening.
you started this war when your kind drafted and published Scum and other how to do lists on killing all men for your lesbian utopias. If this war was a shooting kind it would have been over, but your right to live as a human being is something we honor unlike you.
Woah. Dude, You really hate women. I PERSONALLY did NONE of these things to you. Lesbian utopia? Straight women aren’t wanting this. Knee jerk reaction.
You can claim this time and time again, but your actions to not match your words. As soon as you began to deviate from what you have said, you became a hate movement.
Same goes for the men’s movement.
Thank you.
How dare you fucking assholes say we are privileged you oprress us and act like we must thank you for it I hope you all get strated!
Ok, make that one #99 “I get to cry whenever a man calls me on my bullshit entitlement mentality. Thanks formanboobz I knew one of you would give us another one!
BOOOO! Not fair play.
This is wonderful to know I must thank you for this so I can use it to assit in my anti feminist works at hubpages and else where.
Brilliant stuff.
As an MRA, I am very pleased to see a list written by a female that I can link to other females whenever they talk about needing “more equality”.
Feminism was never about equality, otherwise it would be addressing the very real points on this list.
thank GOD that a WOMAN wrote this list!!!!!! so now i can show this to other women who are always complaining about the supposed “male privilage” …so it’s a male privilage to live shorter, die defending you, get ass cancer and die,be forced into the same gender stereotypes that women are conveniently allowed to ignore…..what about any of these things sounds like “privilage”?????????? but since this was written by a woman, no woman can say “oh this is all a lie some MAN made up to be patriarchy/sexism/wage gap/etc…” NO EXCUSES BECAUSE A WOMAN WROTE THEM!!!!
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Holy shit, lol. U mad?
I’ve seen some crazy anti-feminist stuff, but this is something else.
It’s not even coherent. It’s like someone just put a list together of things they didn’t like about women and tried to make it sound like privileges.
anon wow pathetic
What cracked me up is that half of the items on the list are the result of male oppression and are in no way privilege. Half the rest are just lies. The remaining 25% are “hot girls get stuff. Well so do hit guys, so clean yourself up!
hit guys?
What? Most of these are completely made up. Did you do any research at all?
I’ll confirm that 1-15 are all true I’ve seen those all 1st hand
Just because something happens sometimes doesn’t make it true across the board.
oh but its not one time, you seem to think I have only seen all 15 once, I’ve seen 13 done about 3 times to me by three different women I can’t count number 5 anymore. Hell have you seen the male privilege list? That is more mythical than anything here. Where the hell is the male privilege for all the men buried at Arlington national cemetery, or the 70% of homeless men or all the men who are unemployed?
Number 5 is complete crap. Do you actually think women have control over their reproductive choices? If that is the case, why is it that incarcerated or institutionalized women are still systematically sterilized without their consent? Or that young women and women living in poverty are denied access to abortion services? Or that birth control is not covered by most health insurance (and yet viagra and other erectile dysfunction pills are)? Or that a young woman can be denied condoms or emergency contraception if she tries to buy it at a drugstore and they decide she shouldn’t be able to have it?
When you refer to the male privilege list, do you mean the one from “unpacking the invisible knapsack” written by Peggy McIntosh? Or was it something else? I have read the McIntosh piece.
Also, I don’t understand what you mean by the last question. Are you trying to insinuate that there aren’t any homeless or unemployed women?
every anti-abortion bill has failed, as for what I was insinuating is that men are and have always been the majority of the unemployed and homeless. I guess you were just selectively reading.
True women have more control over reproduction. A wise partner would get involved, be willing to wear condoms, buy the spermicide, talk about when to have kids, etc. An equal relationship would have both involved, but historically women have been at the mercy of a mans sexual appetite and repeated pregnancies, so the current place we are all at is an attempt to corect this imbalance. The next step is mutual involvement. Anyone want to go the next step, or are we just going to yell at each other across the room?
Yep, so clearly nobody is ever denied abortions anymore.
Unemployment and homelessness suck. But they’re not only male issues.
No but by majority they are male issue more than female issues. denied an abortion, never in my state has a woman been denied an abortion. If these are so bogus you really should see what the feminists call male privileges, being stripped of our rights as father’s that’s a privilege in feminist eyes so basically when men refuse to accept this bullshit and call you out you panic and throw a tantrum. 13 specifically is like Andrea yates she blamed blacks and Hispanics for the cold and torturously slow deaths of her sons. Where was their male privilege? A question you are refusing to answer. Why is that because it doesn’t exist and you know it.
No one in your state has been denied an abortion? How do you know this? What is your state? I’m guessing I can find an instance of someone being denied an abortion in your state with a small amount of google searching.
Since your grammar is so atrocious, I am honestly a little bit confused as to what you are trying to say, but I will attempt to respond. Are you saying that feminists think that men being stripped of their rights as fathers is a privilege? A privilege for who? I’m not totally convinced that you understand what privilege is.
Also, just to be clear, you are using an example of a seriously deranged woman who killed her children as proof of what? That women are all crazy murderers? That because those children happen to be male, her killing them was an act of anti-male violence? Furthermore, are you trying to argue that any feminist would excuse her actions? Because I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who would think someone who killed her small children was justified in any way.
I actually Maggie I do recall manboobz justified her actions AS THE HUSBANDS FUALT among others of his brood. As for grammar sorry I am tired as of late. I’m just saying men are tired of being told they have things they actually don’t. men are SICK OF BEING CALLED RAPISTS WHEN WE AREN’T! So are you ever going to answer my question, or just keep up your logical fallacy?
Who is manboobz? I have no idea what you are talking about.
I agree that false accusations of rape are terrible, but they are also much more rare than you seem to think. So yeah, when someone is accused of rape, I’m gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the less privileged person who likely doesn’t have as much reason to lie about the situation.
What was your question? I thought I responded to all of your questions, but if there is something you asked that I didn’t answer, please remind me what it is and I will try to answer it to the best of my ability.
I am not a fan of trumping up false rape charges I am not a fan of down playing them, actually. I am of the mind that 9% is 9% to many, how many real victims get the shaft because one person lies about rape? Manboobz is a male feminist, that excuses misandry. Also you have never answered any of my questions you’ve dodged them yes but that’s not an answer.
False rape charges are horrible. I don’t think anyone is arguing that they’re not. I’m just saying, charges of rape shouldn’t be taken lightly or dismissed until there has been a thorough investigation.
If you have questions that you feel I haven’t answered adequately, please ask them. I don’t know what questions you are referring to.
Okay fine where is the male privilege for the all the men who died in war, or the little boys that got murdered by their mothers, or the men who are killed because a woman lied about rape? If these privileges are so bogus then I think male privileges are equally bogus. Tell me do you think rape cases should be kept away from the media, and false rape accusers should face criminal charges?
Okay fine where is the male privilege for the all the men who died in war, or the little boys that got murdered by their mothers, or the men who are killed because a woman lied about rape?
OK, so, male privilege is an inherent thing–it doesn’t get negated because you happen to have shitty things happen to you in your life. All of those people still had male privilege, it just wasn’t relevant to their particular situations. It seems like you’re arguing that if a man is killed, it’s a misandrist act, which doesn’t make sense at all.
Tell me do you think rape cases should be kept away from the media, and false rape accusers should face criminal charges?
I do not think the media has any business getting involved in most rape cases, unless the people involved in the case specifically want the media involved. And yes, I think that if it comes to light that someone falsely accused someone of rape, and this is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, then yes, I believe that they should have to face criminal charges. In fact, I think that there is a case for slander there.
Actually I believe false rape falls into a fraud category, as for murder I think all murder is a hate crime. Male privilege doesn’t exist I’ve read the list that most feminists write and its sickening at best and most often misinformed lies. Men do more than 8 hours of work in an 8 hour day women do 7.75 hours of work in an 8 hour day, as such a wage gap is not a result of privileges. Also if males have privilege than this list is perfectly true also, you can’t say this list is bullshit when most of the things do happen for women. Women gain fortunes and status through divorce, a biased court system that favors women because they are women is a privilege. I just wished you would have answered those question when I first asked them.
Clearly, nothing I say to you is going to make you change your mind, and I have other things I need to do.
But maybe you should try educating yourself about privilege before you start making broad claims.
Start with Peggy McIntosh’s “Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack”
And then read this piece: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is/
It’s a really excellent article that describes male privilege in a very easy to understand way.
If you read those and are still confused, then maybe I’ll talk to you again. But I’m tired to going around in circles when you’re clearly in your own little world.
You seem to be missing a clear and easy point I’ve spelled out for you a few times. Female privileges exist and sometimes void male privilege. Also not all men are given this privileges in life, men are marginalized in our education system which is continuing to fail everyone. If you empower men to have a real chance at life and not be hindered by privileges, that only work if we meet a said requirement in society. What makes you think I’m white and I will say this for white men they are hated for no reason half the time, why because people are projecting what they think white people are, or aren’t.
Lol. Educate yourself. Then we can talk.
Maggie you keep generalizing men as the upper elites of society which some men are, as for the rest we are nothing but cogs or pawns to be sent first for another’s power. You have failed too see the negatives of privilege, men who are abused by women have the privilege of being mocked. Its a really pity your too biter to see beyond what others have told you.
Seriously, I don’t even know what you’re talking about, dude. Sure, some men have it worse than some women. Does that negate male privilege as a concept? Absolutely not. Now seriously, read the link I posted, because I’m tired of listening to your ignorant ranting.
The only ignorant ranting is coming from you if you wish for it to stop shut off you computer and go read a book like the myth of male power, or the war against men and boys. Lay off the SCUM for once in your sad fallacy of a life.
Your insults are cute, but they’re doing nothing to prove you’re not a misogynist douchebag.
Also, the Myth of Male Power doesn’t blame women for the so-called “plight” of men. So, it’s at least a little more tolerable to read than this checklist.
I never said women were to blame, so don’t put words in my mouth. As for your insults I can’t say much good about them, they aren’t original they lack whit and tact. I feel more sad for you than anything else.
Cool story, bro.
Saw it coming, well at least I’m rating up your comments that should make you feel better.
Yep, that’s the only thing I want in life, clearly.
you certainly want my attention
Obviously.
In all seriousness though, I have a ton of work I need to get done and I don’t feel like talking to someone who clearly has no idea what they’re talking about. If you read some things and educate yourself, I’d be happy to talk to you in the future. Otherwise, enjoy living in a fantasy world where men are a disadvantaged group.
Thanks but your sources of education are blogs. While you are happy with self entitled morons that can’t help but ignore the facts their opinions are biased and unfounded, I prefer books by scholars and people with degrees. Good luck to you, I mean seriously get a life and stop being such a self entitled bitch.
Want some books?
Try Conquest by Andrea Smith, White Male Privilege by Mark Steven Rosenkranz, White Privilege and Male Privilege by Peggy McIntosh, Feminism: A Beginner’s Guide (since you clearly don’t know what feminism is) by Sally J. Scholz, He’s a Stud, She’s a Slut by Jessica Valenti…I could go on, but I doubt you’ll read any of my recommendations.
As for me, thanks for telling me to get a life. I actually am a feminist scholar so this kinda fits in with my life. Thanks though.
ps. Insulting strangers on the Internet totally proves your self-worth. (/sarcasm)
The only person throwing insults was actually you all I did was return them. As for Jessica Valenti I read her books they are total crap hell she thinks men should be held in jail as guilty until proven innocent, way to be about equality stereotyping all rapists and sex offenders as men. I read most of those books all they are is carefully written stereotypes of men, as for my race really why do you think I’m white hell do you not see my avatar picture?
I never said anything about your race, but race plays into privilege to the extent that you can’t really talk about one without talking about the other, which is why some of those books talk about race as well as gender.
I have never read anywhere where Jessica Valenti said that about holding men in jail as guilty until proven innocent…I’m pretty sure that’s not something she ever said. If you can give me a specific quote from her, then maybe I’ll believe you.
Also, I have been consistently civil and not once called you any sort of derogatory term, which is more than I can say for you.
Maggie all the you’ve been spouting off about is white or male privilege. I believe that the former exists since about only 10-15% of the military is white but are very high as well. I mean seriously I once hated white people for their privilege but that’s just ignorant the way you hate men their “privileges”. Whites can’t help their privilege and many don’t even have a way to use it. As for Jessica maybe you should dig into the stuff she’s posted online.
When did I say I hated men? I love men, especially men who recognize their privilege.
Do you seriously think all feminists hate men? Or that just because I recognize that men have privilege, that means that I hate them? That couldn’t be further from the truth.
Right you love men; while almost every thing feminists have to say about men is unfounded and vitriol. I stopped being a feminist along time ago because I got sick of having to listen to all rapists/murders/child molesters are men and how useless we are to society as a whole. I also never male privilege doesn’t exist I just said most the things called privileges are bogus.
OK, well I don’t appreciate the generalizations about feminists that you are making. I for one do not share those views and do not think all men are rapists and whatnot. The people who think that do not represent the majority of feminists, just a loud minority.
Well I am sorry to generalize although I’m merely using past experiences to draw my conclusion.
I understand that. It’s just important to remember that there are a lot more things happening in the world beyond either of our experiences.
true although I’ve experienced a lot of things many people see on the news so I think of myself as just a pit more aware of things involving war and the military
well if you want something refreshing why not visit facts for equality. If I find misandry or misogyny I call it out.
http://factsforequality.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/more-misandry-for-man-boobz-and-author-goldwag-to-excuse/ here you go a link
Maggie, how would you like to debate me on debate.org.
You can bring anecdotes and I’ll bring nothing but empirical evidence and whilst you quote mine from gender studies written books that can be picked apart with even the slightest hint of critically applied thinking,
I’ll remove emotion from the argument and cite studies. Not studies on domestic violence where feminists have rang the home between the hours of 9-3 in order to only get females and then cite these results as inhonesto congruens.
Not some studies on wage gaps where the feminists “assigned” their own values to the fact that men ask for pay raises more, because men are more likely to have to support a family and are under the added pressure that lack of income can lead to divorce for MAN. Or factoring “OUT” that men do more unpaid overtime, so as to seem like paid hours are equal. (yeah they do that to).
In fact find me one study that either doesn’t work on aggregates or doesn’t bullshit factor away important variables? (Don’t worry, you won’t – They don’t exists).
Also, opinion sites don’t count as proof (unless you’re a feminist).
Heck, I’ll even argue any of the points on this list which raise qualifiers like “may” and “can”.
I’ll even put money on it, if that’s what it will take to thoroughly and convincingly prove that feminism rests on 40 years of unchallenged gender studies opinions, which have been so omnipresent and ubiquitously hammered into gullible subconscious’s, having resulted in typical feminist arguments which are rich on rhetoric and shameful “go educate yourself” type remarks, but very little actual proof.
Ironically for those who scream the loudest, feminism’s lack of actual, real EMPIRICAL evidence is rather easy to completely destroy one on one.
So here stands my offer. Debate dot org. Anytime.
Loser creates blog devoted to winners arguments.
Fuck it, I’ll even throw in a hundred bucks if you can beat me.
Any time now?
Actually, that sounds like fun, but I’m in the middle of writing my undergrad thesis right now. Can we take a rain check? I’d actually have a lot of fun kicking your ass and winning 100 bucks, but I’m totally swamped right now. Soon, OK?
aka she won’t
lol she totally copped out. soo busy with her undergrad that she’s trolling this blog constantly. yaritegood1maggie. now git.
Nice list. I’m going to admit as a woman some of those things on the list are either total bogus, nut 100% true, or can be justified to an extent. For example the marketing stuff and clothing is a result of equal pressures on both men and woman.
Men are pressured to avoid girly things because society views woman to be weak. As a result men going for woman’s clothing or hobbies will actually make them view men as trying to lower their social status. The larger variety of clothing and all that jewlrey is provided for a woman at a price. The media pressures woman to be like this “trophy figure model” so woman feel the need to look good just for men.
This causes both men and woman to be denied rights.
However, a large portion of what you said is not only true but hurts feminism (the kind that wants equal rights not the kind that wants men oppression) because it implies woman to be weak and helpless, and this results in woman loosing rights. That thing about false accusations of rape reminded me about something I learned. All the false accusations of rape actually make police not take the REAL accusations of woman being raped seriously and soon will result in a man being able to rape a woman and get away with it.
It also hurts when feminists fight for something that actually is oppression for a woman and is an issue woman have to face because most people brush it off as the feminists are just being bitches or that woman are spoiled.
Yah both men and woman are denied rights but unless feminists and masculists can join forces and stop trying to oppress the other gender, and stop trying to diss the other party, equal rights will never occur and its only going to get worse for both men and woman.
Hey “man”–I am actually really interested in doing this–I enjoy a nice debate, and I have, you know, logic and facts on my side, so I’d actually find this quite entertaining. But I’ve got way more important shit to do right now. If this guy can wait, I’d be into it. If not, no big deal. I just can’t focus a lot of my energy on something that isn’t my thesis right now. Sorry.
Also how are you Maggie guess what this professor claims I’m harassing her because I have sent her multiple emails asking her to clarify her assignment instructions!
I’m good! That’s too bad, did she ever clarify the instructions? =P
ps. I’m really happy we were able to have different opinions on the internet and end up at least finding a bit of common ground.
Maggie is a nice person “man” she isn’t completely right nor is she completely wrong.
more like a backpeddling troll. but maybe she’s less abrasive in person
This guy doesn’t know me in person, he’s actually the person I was just arguing with in the comments. I think we made peace =) He actually seems pretty cool. So, you know, it is possible to have a dispute on the internet and still remain civil.
cool a men’s center it would be nice if only the feminists on my campus would grow up and stop seeing things as black and white.
Yeah, we have a men’s center and a women’s center, and they tend to do things together. We had a discussion about rape culture last week that was co-sponsored by both centers, and it was excellent. Really interesting and informative.
http://factsforequality.wordpress.com/ well I honestly don’t think the theory of rape culture is to sound since I remember as a boy being told not to touch girls unless they want you too, but check out my blog here I plan on covering the rape culture’s sound and unfounded theories
Rape culture isn’t so much about the idea that boys are encouraged to rape people or anything like that. It’s much more subtle than that. It’s more like, when people say stuff like “she was asking for it” when someone was raped, or the trivializing of sexual assault…stuff like that. It’s not something that happens everywhere and in every situation, but it is a cultural theme.
Anon, sorry for having things to do outside of the internet? I guess?
I’ve been okay I had a change of professor and other than that I am about to finish one course this week. but its never easy college and I wish we had a men’s center
We have a men’s center at my college! It’s pretty awesome =)
My coverage of rape culture is more like apologist culture rape, child molestation its more like what I call an apologist culture depending on the right setting.
I’m not entirely sure I understand what you’re trying to say, but I want to! Can you clarify?
apologists basically justify rape or some form of abuse. Manboobz justified women molesting teenage boys, so that makes him a child molestation apologist. When someone blames the victim of rape that is basically a rape apologist. We don’t have just a rape culture, our issues are much worse than “rape culture” lets on. We excuse rape domestic violence, child abuse, the list goes on.
Oh, OK. I completely agree with that. I think your wording was just a bit confusing before =P
I do agree, we as a culture have a problem with victim blaming, whether we are blaming women, men, or children. Some of it fits into rape culture, but it’s much bigger than that.
As usual feminist come to an MRA site fueled up on vitriol based on repetitive confirmation bias and liberal heapings of Argumentum ad nauseam.
Unfortunately when push comes to shove and it takes EMIRICAL evidence to prove an argument…they don’t have any.
I know, because I spend a lot of time checking their sources and facepalming at people who cite the mere opinions of bigots, halfwits and clearly, obviously, axiomatically biased gender idealogues.
Proof is not just a gender professor spouting their uncontested opinions to a class of indoctrinated young children. Proof is not a study that manipulates factors or omits prudent details.
Proof is the result of proving.
I’m yet to see the gender studies set prove much of anything.
The largest study ever conducted (EVER) shows women commit domestic violence at even or greater rates than men.
The founder of the first women’s shelters started to notice around half the women coming in were violent themselves and were starting the fights they founds themselves in.
When she started to speak out, feminists killed her dog and sent her death threats.
Feminists actually try to argue there is a rape culture. You know rape, the most abhorred crime behind only child abuse as the most loathed. Rapists are treated with disgust, hate, ostracism and utter proscription from society.
You know rape that is empirically proven to occur in 0.03% of America?
Yeah, somehow feminism’s most brilliant minds have managed to come together and extrapolate that what we don’t know and can’t prove is that rape is 100 times more prevalent than the actual proof.
Because they say so…and their word is clearly beyond reproach.
Oh, and they claim rape is accepted in society and rape jokes are prevalent and rape is everywhere you look. So, you know, kinda the opposite of reality.
Feminists also try and claim a wage gap. Because men work longer hours and earn more. So they try to say men and women in the same job earn different wages. So you tell them men and women in the same job work different hours, then they get angry with you for not accepting their oft repeated, but little proven ramblings.
So you say hey Mrs, sorry, Miss Feminist – Where is the proof that men and women doing the same job earn differing amounts for the same job?
Then they provide the same old women’s studies study
where…drumroll…they…provide…the…control…for…the…
VARIABLES.
I mean, you can’t make this shit up, unlike them, who in turn make so much shit up it’s hilarious.
They factor out things like men working more unpaid overtime, or more aggressively negotiating starting salaries.
Funnily enough when you ask them to publish the differences in pay rates between women, what, who, what???
Yeah, because women in the same jobs don’t get paid the same as each other either…go figure?
Strangely, feminists are silent on the fact that the broke women seem to come up with the cash for 75% of the worlds personal luxury purchases.
Whadyamean, are these women all stealing money from somewhere?
Feminists try and point to a few male politicians and call patriarchy. They say there need to be more female politicians so that their voices are heard.
You know…those voices of the female voting majority. The female voting majority that enjoys paying 36% of taxes but consuming 70% of welfare benefits. Oppression?
The female voting majority that lives 7 years longer than men?
The female voting majority that has double the money spent on their health concerns…not enough?
The female voting majority that ensure women gain control of their kids in divorce. Oppression?
The female voting majority that ensures women don’t have to sign up for selective services to vote, though men do.
The female voting majority that in the UK means they can retire five years earlier than men.
Problem is there is not a single law – Not one the gives men any advantages. None. Nilch. Not one single inkling that there is a patriarchy giving men more advantages.
BUT there are documented legal advantages women receive.
How can that possibly happen in a patriarchy?
How much more work would feminists like men to do, in order to pay more tax to fund more set in stone legal advantages to women?
How many dead men littering the pavements will be enough for the diamond rings and cartier watches these women scramble to procure.
Every road you drive on, every bite of food you eat, every piece of technology you use is built on the back of the death of men.
97% of workplace fatalities.
Is that enough for feminism?
I know how you feel its total bullshit that feminists are so successful as a hate group
JD, why do you have the same profile icon as yoursexymaster?? Are you the same person, use the same pic or what? It makes people think you are the same person commenting. Confusing.
Actually, she wasn’t ‘fired up’ in the begining. She was very patient with JD. He was already here with a huge angry chip on his shoulder. He was rude and short tempered right out of the gate. It took an entire page of comments before he could talk civily with her. When either side has an angry defiant posture it makes for an impossible situation for dialog. Men have male priviledge, females have female priviledge , how aboutr laying down the weapons, guys? Does it make it any easier talking to an angry, man hating feminazi when she does nothing but hurt abuse and insults? No! Learn to check your self righteous anger and maybe women will listen to you. Otherwise your just some woman hating, angry dude we avoid.
I know you feminist types are delusional but why does it never shock me how far you can take it?
This is just laughable. Many of these complaints are actually issues with the patriarchy, not with feminism.
This list of grievances is replete with complaints about the gender dichotomy and frustrations with double standards for men and women. That is what feminism is about: removing the gender dichotomy. These complaints are incredibly misguided and misdirected. This list is largely at odds with the patriarchy and the current gender climate. Educate yourself on the cornerstones of feminism before you go attacking it. But that may just be male privilege speaking again, i.e. men blaming women for problems men created.
THANK YOU!!!!!
i have a quick question about #46, could someone please explain exactly how only men experience cognitive dissonance? i never assumed it was affected by a persons gender.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
All of these stem from male privilege and placing women into gender roles. That is not a privilege.
That doesn’t make them any less valid or beneficial to women over men.
Ehhh, it kinda does though.
sorry maggie thats bullshit I don’t see how a woman taking more than half a man’s property or getting away with child molestation is harmful to the woman in question. How is it bad that a woman who molests a dozen kids 200 times and get 9 years in prison is harmful to her. How is either of those really bad for the woman and not the victim. I mean you only love men who submit to a conditional demand you want them to meet, and that is pretty bad I mean what if you had a son who denied he was privileged you’d stop loving him, you already said yes to that.
I have no idea what you’re talking about but a) You’re putting words in my mouth and b) making really crazy assumptions about my life. Both of which are not OK.
Obviously child molestation is not OK–I just don’t think you understand that these things that you’re complaining about are caused by patriarchy and male privilege.
I never said I wouldn’t love my (theoretical) son, I have no idea what you’re talking about. If I had a child, they would be aware of all of the ways that they were privileged, but if they refused to acknowledge them, I would obviously still love them, and I don’t see how that’s relevant…
You said you love men so long as they admit they are privileged, so if you had a duaghter you’d tell her how privileged she is too? I see no point in forcing my ideologies on a child, is it healthy for them? I doubt that very much. If men are privileged and its harmful the very same is true for women. Although how is America a patriarchy as a federal republic the voters hold power over who gets in power. Plus the way men’s issues are silenced through threats would say more of a feminazi system is in place.
I’m going to ignore your ignorant accusations of me not loving my future children, as we both know that’s ridiculous.
If I had a child–no matter their gender–they would be aware of their privilege. My partner and I are both white, so they would have white privilege and they would be able to recognize that. If I had a boy, he would be aware of his male privilege. Almost everyone has privilege of some sort, but “female privilege,” as you are defining it and as it is stated here, does not exist. It’s not a privilege if it’s caused by the patriarchy and serves to benefit men.
Maggie you said “I love men, especially men who recognize their privilege.” its on this very page scroll up. I merely I am not accusing you of anything didn’t say. Racial privileges certainly exist, I never said they don’t, but you keep trying to deny female privilege exists.
I said “especially” and I was referring to friends and romantic partners, not potential future children. I would (and this should be obvious) love my child no matter what they believed. That is how it works. However, I would never choose to date someone or be close friends with someone who had such differing views on issues that are so important to me. That’s what I meant by that comment, and I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that you understood.
And yes. I am denying that female privilege exists, because it doesn’t. If it’s harming women and benefiting men, it’s not female privilege. All of those examples you have given of so-called “female privilege” are really just symptoms of a culture that gives men privilege over women–privilege that, whether you care to acknowledge it or not–exists, and is hurting everybody, regardless of gender.
Maggie everything on this list benefits women and harms men, are you even reading this list what are you talking about!? In anycase your conditional love is abusive to men in general, if they disagree with you they are probably better of dead huh? I swear this is just pathetic I am trying to show a white woman reason. Female privilege is real, when women molest boys they have the privilege of the fact society will say loudly that the boy in question who reported the sexual assault is a “fag” for ratting her out or that he is lucky even if he ends up taking his life.
Wow, OK, so I’m not going through this gigantic list of things and telling you why they’re all harmful to both men and women. But like…pick one. They’re basically all caused by the patriarchy. Also, you keep bringing up shit that’s objectively bad and then like…expecting me to defend it? I’m a human being. Obviously I don’t think sexual assault is good, regardless of who is the abuser. But the fact that some women get away with sexual assault (a miniscule percentage of the men that get away with it) doesn’t mean that women have, what? The privilege to assault people? Or that that even is a privilege? I mean, come on.
Also, I can guarantee you that if the Stubenville case had been two girls raping a guy, there would not have been so much disgusting support for the abusers. And that, right there, is an example of male privilege.
Also, seriously, you think I want to kill people that don’t agree with me? When did I say that? To be clear, I don’t. That would be horrible. I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just not their own facts.
Please, if you reply to this comment, try to actually read it first and respond to what I’m actually saying as opposed to what you’re assuming about me, because I can assure you that your assumptions are ridiculous and untrue.
Stubenville has hundreds in not thousands of outraged groups doing something about it, and there are very questionable things that are in use by the prosecution which is a violation of American justice. I can with 100% certainty tell you if it was a man that got raped well there would probably be a load of idiots calling the girls their hero kind of like the man in Torronto that was kidnapped and raped just recently. Twitter and face book are alive with praise for the three suspect women. I am sorry but if you think this list isn’t beneficial to woman I can’t gauge you to well.
these two are pretty beneficially to women
18. At age 18 I will not be forced to register for Selective Service and will not be penalized for failing to do so.
Now did you know if to this day if a man without a medical disability doesn’t register with Selective Service and registers to vote he can face thousands of dollars in fines and jail time.
24. I have a department of women’s health whereas men have no such department.
Men make up the overwhelming amount of uninsured men and women have just recently been given even more health benefits prostate cancer doesn’t even have a quarter of breast cancer research. Hell if I got breast cancer the medical system would probably turn me away for treatment. I honestly thought you’d be smart enough to accept that this list has valid claims, I guess I was wrong. No need to reply to Maggie
OK, but you’re mot realizing that the reason women don’t have to sign up for selective service is because of the sexist ideas that women aren’t able to be in the military. It’s an outdated and unfair practice. Now, I’m in favor of abolishing the selective service altogether, but does it benefit women? On the surface, sure, but that’s completely ignoring the deeper meaning behind it.
As for the department of women’s health–do you understand vaginas at all? They’re complicated. There are a lot more things that can go wrong that are specific to a woman’s body than a man’s–that’s just true. So, yeah, we get women’s health doctors…I’m glad we do, but it’s not denying health practices to men. If you had breast cancer, you would not be turned away from the medical system, are you serious? This is a ridiculous argument. Women have babies. We kinda need doctors for that shit.
I actually lost a friend to breast cancer of all things the thing is the military wouldn’t cover him, in fact he was denied treatment programs that are common to women. I’m not disputing OBGYNs use I am saying you have access to breast cancer treatment options that can help men but we are denied them.
Now you still think its sexist that you aren’t forced into a legal contract that can result in coming home in bag, well I think its sexist that men are only required for selective service. Its a privilege to vote and not have to serve in the wars of your nation
First of all, I’m sorry about your friend. That really sucks, and honestly, I’m not surprised about the military treating him that way. But I am saddened. That’s horrible, and it shouldn’t happen, ever. I don’t see how that benefits women, however. Having our husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, and friends dying is not something that benefits anyone.
Secondly, you clearly did not read what I said at all. I think the selective service is bullshit. I don’t think ANYONE should have to sign up for it. I’m glad I don’t have to, but it is sexist. It’s sexist because it sees women as less able than men. Luckily for us, the result of that means we don’t have to sign up for the selective service, but it’s still sexism and it’s still a result of a culture that sees men as stronger and more able than women. That is all.
Maggie you keep missing the point how is voting without military service anything but a privilege? Women could vote as far back as 1929, yet never served in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, and remained in the very safe support and command roles during desert storm. Only 1 woman was taken POW and she got 5 star treatment by the Iraqis, that’s privilege. Hell Jessica Lynch hid until the men in her unit died in combat and was treated like a national hero for it. That is called cowardice not heroism, but she is a pretty little white girl playing soldier so yeah the brass awarded her, but she never turned that award down either which is completely possible. Also a man got turned away for a treatment for breast cancer that is given to women if he got turned away because he was a man that’s much more solid evidence that men have no privilege, than what you are suggesting.
“that men have no privilege”
Are you seriously arguing that men have NO privilege? Because if that’s what you’re trying to say then this is completely pointless.
Also, none of what you said is wrong, you’re just confused about what I’m saying, which is that sure, certain things seem to be privileges on the surface, but are in fact caused by the patriarchy. I don’t think the argument that sexism–which is the root cause of women not being allowed in the military for so long–is an example of so-called female privilege is a sound one. Sorry, but that’s just completely ridiculous.
you are arguing away female privilege on much less, as though it is totally nonexistent by merely saying a benefit is sexism. If you can join the military and let an entire unit fight to the death while you hide and get dubbed a hero, that is a privilege. Personally the bar for women in the military is too.
Right…you clearly have no idea what privilege is, and I don’t have time for this shit. If you develop the capability to understand basic concepts, let me know. Otherwise, have fun with your misconceptions.
you are such a good joke to laugh at
Where’s the one about screaming ” check your privilege !” Every time their argument falls to pieces ?